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Message #:5238.1
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Date:4-Nov 22:23
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Message: I thought I was being really proactive when I was visiting / interviewing childminders for H when he was only a couple of weeks old. We found a really lovely lady nearby and everything was set for me to go back to work in Jan.

Had an email from her yesterday to say she's quitting childminding and going back to college. Yikes! That's screwed up my plans a bit.

So, I put an ad on a childcare website looking for childminder, and have had a reply from a girl asking if I would consider hiring her as a part-time nanny.... it would be for about 16hrs a week.

She would be self-employed (so I don't need to pay Nat Ins, etc) and is looking at £7 per hour live-out. What do you ladies think? Would that be a good deal? It's more than a childminder or nursery, but I'm thinking it would be great for flexibility around shifts, and I wouldn't have to get H to her in a morning as she would come to me....

Would it be cheeky to ask her if she'd consider doing a  little housework too?

The girl in question is 20, has relevant childcare qualifications, first aid, etc - and a 16month old girl of her own.

Thoughts?

Chick xxx

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From:hun-bun  Member Icon
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Date:4-Nov 23:03
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I'd definately discuss the housework with her and see what she says!

You'd have to consider if her doing this for you really is self employed or your employee, unfortunately she can't just decide. As a potential 'employer' the onus is on you to check the situation out. It'd be terrible if anyone turned around in a few years time and said actually she was your employee and you owe all the tax and nic.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/WorkingAndPayingTax/DG_4015975
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/index.htm#1

I don't know if she'd need a CRB check or not?

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Date:4-Nov 23:42
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A live out nanny has pro's and cons. A live out nanny also bringing her own 16 month old is TOTALLY different altogether.

a list of potential issues for her to need to answer for you before you could possibly decide.

1) would she provide a double pushchair for any potential outings? or expect you to buy one?

2) would she bring age appropriate toys for her child with her? or are you expected to buy older toys too? 18 mths olds have very diff needs to a 6 month old.

3) would she bring her own food for her and her child? or do you provide it?

4) how would she address discipline for H? as its different disciplining your own to doing so for another's child and especially difficult if the child you are paid to care for hurts your child for instance. (I found it very hard to stay proffesional and calm with a 3yr old in my care who left a full circle every tooth impression on Lucy's 15 month old arm when I was a childminder. When the same child did it a second time again unprovoked I had to terminate his contract for the protection of my child, which obv left his mum in the lurch)

5) why does she want to be a nanny as opposed to a registered childminder?

6) what references can she offer you? (she may be qualified, but as she's only 20 and has a 16 month old I suspect she may have only references from her college placements, I might be doing her a disservice but I think she intended being a nursery nurse but fell pg then didn't want to leave her daughter so is looking for a way of being paid to still be able to look after her herself)

No housework is not part of the deal, if you want to ask her that you would need to pay more, she is offering childcare not housekeeping.

How flexible is she prepared to be? Yes she said part time, but does she realise that it would be different part time hours depending on what rotation you are on?

Even if she is self employed you'd still need a contract, so have a look on http://www.abritishnanny.co.uk/ to gleam their expertise

hth

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Message #:5238.4 in response to 5238.1
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Date:5-Nov 10:11
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Message: Humm I'd be careful about this. Would there be issues with insurance if she hurt herself or her own child in your home? Also would you be able to trust her in your home that she wouldn't steel anything or snoop around, and would you really want her child in your house? There are indeed pros and cons, and £7 an hour seems very expensive but it could be normal for your area i guess. Just suss her out and get your OH to meet her too and see what your first impressions are. Surely there are other childminders in the area, can you ask at your childrens centre? Good luck! xx
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From:cl-jmm2602  Member Icon
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Date:5-Nov 13:41
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Just had another thought too Lu, she wouldn't be Ofsted registered as it is the location as much as the provider that is inspected.

If you were wanting to claim help with childcare through the tax credits system they HAVE to be registered as you need to give their registration number to the tax credits office.

TBH the more I've thought about it, the more problems I'm thinking about, as greenb rightly said, if your nanny and her child hurt themselves in your house they could sue you. (Ironically as could ANYONE in your house whether they were supposed to be there or not, I read recently about a burglar who tripped on a dodgy stair carpet and broke his wrist during the fall thus preventing him from doing his "proper" job till it healed, he sued the householder for loss of earnings and damages and bloomin won!!!! Irrelevant that he had no business being in the house in the first place.)

What if something of yours got broken? I can almost guarantee nanny would say H did it if her child actually had, then it would be your problem to replace not hers.

Likewise the trust issue - yes I know you trust anyone with the welfare of your child, but your home too? do you really know where all items of value are all the time? would you have to check them all the time till you knew the nanny?

I think £7 an hour is a bit steep too esp as her child is there too. One to one care is more than 1:6 like a childminder but H wouldn't be getting 1:1 he'd be getting 1:2.

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